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Jul. 9th, 2013 07:28 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
stormdogElsewhere on the internet, Danae posted links to a couple of articles about sexism and problematic gender stereotyping and policing at conventions. It kind of makes me want to do a panel or something that touches on a few concepts in the sphere of gender. Male privilege and physical touch. The problematic in-group policing of 'proper' gender behavior. Dual standards in terms of body acceptance, or in clothing and costuming.
Problem number one would be that I don't feel I have enough knowledge about those things to present, though that could be rectified. Problem two is that I doubt many people would be interested in coming.
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Slut Shaming and Concern Trolling in Geek Culture: -Emily Finke
http://www.thisview.org/?p=127
PROTIP: If you see a girl at a con, it is not OK to touch us: -Oni
http://www.onezumiverse.com/2013/02/protip-if-you-see-a-girl-at-a-con-it-is-not-ok-to-touch-us/#sthash.TCdfUGo8.dpuf
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On the topic of male privilege and/or different understandings of assumed consent between genders,![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mai_neh was talking about a blog entry written by a FTM person about his experiences dating men and women. (I hope you don't mine my briefly quoting you here.)
In the blog writer's experience, when making out with gay men, there was an assumption that the encounter would end in sex. Parties had the right to say no of course, but there was an assumed 'yes'. With women, on the other hand, that assumption of escalation was not present, and each escalation required explicit consent. In response to this, Mai_neh wrote "...in the gay male world, we are always violating each other's bodies without even thinking of it as a violation." I found that really insightful and eye-opening, even as someone who's never been part of gay culture.
Perhaps these different ways of socializing (and I do believe that this is socialized difference, not some inherent biological gender difference) bleeds over to the problem of unwanted touching of women by men in convention space, as well as other such issues.
Problem number one would be that I don't feel I have enough knowledge about those things to present, though that could be rectified. Problem two is that I doubt many people would be interested in coming.
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Slut Shaming and Concern Trolling in Geek Culture: -Emily Finke
http://www.thisview.org/?p=127
PROTIP: If you see a girl at a con, it is not OK to touch us: -Oni
http://www.onezumiverse.com/2013/02/protip-if-you-see-a-girl-at-a-con-it-is-not-ok-to-touch-us/#sthash.TCdfUGo8.dpuf
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On the topic of male privilege and/or different understandings of assumed consent between genders,
mai_neh was talking about a blog entry written by a FTM person about his experiences dating men and women. (I hope you don't mine my briefly quoting you here.)In the blog writer's experience, when making out with gay men, there was an assumption that the encounter would end in sex. Parties had the right to say no of course, but there was an assumed 'yes'. With women, on the other hand, that assumption of escalation was not present, and each escalation required explicit consent. In response to this, Mai_neh wrote "...in the gay male world, we are always violating each other's bodies without even thinking of it as a violation." I found that really insightful and eye-opening, even as someone who's never been part of gay culture.
Perhaps these different ways of socializing (and I do believe that this is socialized difference, not some inherent biological gender difference) bleeds over to the problem of unwanted touching of women by men in convention space, as well as other such issues.
